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<big>'''Soul Crystals Data''' (By Dirk, Apr 24th 2023):</big>
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<big>'''Backlash'''</big>: I've noticed on 2 or 3 ocassions that you can get a backlash if you pray at another altar inside the holysite area.
  
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'''-Minimum Skill''': There appears to be a minimum skill tick size that is set by your current skill and possilby some other factors like how far above the critters skill you skill is. You get the minimum when your skill is higher than the soul crystal creatures skill. Effective ql, critter idenity, and rare+ seem to have little or no affect on the minimum skill gained, especially if you skill is much higher than the critters. Rare+ may give higher skill, but not for the minimum.
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This matters because at several holy sites I've seen people put altars right next to the holy site. It is a pain to walk outside the holy site area to spam prays but then your characters with bad soul strength won't blow up the holysite. I've seen backlashes cause between 3-10 corruption.
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(Dirk, Apr 24th 2023)
  
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<big>'''Soul Crystal Data''':</big>
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(By Dirk, Apr 24th 2023)
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'''-Minimum Skill''': There appears to be a minimum skill tick size that is set by your current skill and possilby some other factors like how far above the critters skill you skill is. You get the minimum when your skill is higher than the soul crystal creatures skill. Effective ql, critter idenity, and rare+ seem to have little or no affect on the minimum skill gained, especially if you skill is much higher than the critters. Rare+ may give higher skill, but not if its a minimum gain.
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When you get a minimum gain the event tab says: "[01:30:04] Your knowledge of Body control already surpasses that of the former rooster, but you still manage to learn something."
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Dirk Minimum Strength Data:
 
Dirk Minimum Strength Data:
  
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| soul crystal [champion horse] || 99.41 || 0.00 || 99.41 || [22:36:06] Body strength increased by 0.0047 to 52.8622
 
| soul crystal [champion horse] || 99.41 || 0.00 || 99.41 || [22:36:06] Body strength increased by 0.0047 to 52.8622
 
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| soul crystal [bull] supreme  || 68.44 || 3.56 || 66.00 || [22:32:11] Body strength increased by 0.0047 to 52.8575
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| supreme soul crystal [bull] || 68.44 || 3.56 || 66.00 || [22:32:11] Body strength increased by 0.0047 to 52.8575
 
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Minimum Skill for Rare Vs Normal:
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Dirk Minimum Skill for Rare Vs Normal:
 
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| soul crystal [mountain lion] || 95.86 || 11.44 || 84.89 || [23:45:40] Soul strength increased by 0.0063 to 36.8667
 
| soul crystal [mountain lion] || 95.86 || 11.44 || 84.89 || [23:45:40] Soul strength increased by 0.0063 to 36.8667
 
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| soul crystal [pig] rare  || 95.09 || 0.00 || 95.09 || [23:50:57] Soul strength increased by 0.0063 to 36.9095
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| rare soul crystal [pig] || 95.09 || 0.00 || 95.09 || [23:50:57] Soul strength increased by 0.0063 to 36.9095
 
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'''-When Do You Get More Than Minimum Skill?:'''
 
'''-When Do You Get More Than Minimum Skill?:'''
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My weaponless fighting was low enough that soul crystals of critters gave about 4-10x more skill than the apparent minimum. My Weaponless fighting gains that were not the minimum ''did'' appear to be affected by effective ql of the soul crystal and creature type.
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A few of my skills were low enough that some critters gave about 3-10x more skill than the apparent minimums. For my skill gains that were ''not'' the minimum, they ''did'' appear to be affected by effective ql of the soul crystal and creature type. I see this most strongly for weaponless fighting since those ticks are the larges.
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When you get a tick bigger than the minimum, the event tab says: "[01:34:17] You absorb some of the former sea serpent's knowledge of Body control."
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Some critters appeared to have a much higher level of body stats than others. Examples:
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Doods that gave me higher than the minimum Characteristic gains on Dirk.
  
 
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! Higher Body Stamina !! Higer Body Control !! Higher Soul Depth
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! Higher Body Stamina !! Higher Body Control !! Higher Soul Strength
 
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| Huge Shark || Dolphin, Huge Shark, Sea Serpent || Blue Whale, Croc, Dolphin, Hell Horse, Huge Shark, Lava Spider, Octopus, Sea Serp
 
| Huge Shark || Dolphin, Huge Shark, Sea Serpent || Blue Whale, Croc, Dolphin, Hell Horse, Huge Shark, Lava Spider, Octopus, Sea Serp
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'''-Higher Chance to Get a Certain Skill?:''' It may be random chance since I only have a few data points but, some critters crystals seem to have a higher chance of giving a particular skill. Most other critters soul crystals gave a random assortment of skills.
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Dirk Ticks That Were Above The Mininmum:
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{| class="wikitable"
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! Name !! Quality !! Damage !! Effective QL !! Skill Tick
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| soul crystal [blue whale] || 95.50 || 11.44 || 84.57 || [22:18:56] Soul strength increased by 0.0153 to 36.4794
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| soul crystal [blue whale] || 94.01 || 0.00 || 94.01 || [22:19:14] Soul strength increased by 0.0163 to 36.4957
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| soul crystal [crocodile] || 46.91 || 13.33 || 40.66 || [22:40:59] Soul strength increased by 0.0411 to 36.5685
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| soul crystal [dolphin] || 95.32 || 3.54 || 91.95 || [22:51:40] Body control increased by 0.0520 to 48.1004
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| soul crystal [dolphin] || 95.02 || 0.00 || 95.02 || [22:53:45] Body control increased by 0.0532 to 48.2094  ***Wth Sleep Bonus
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| soul crystal [dolphin] || 100.00 || 0.00 || 100.00 || [22:52:42] Body control increased by 0.0559 to 48.1562
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| soul crystal [dolphin] || 98.41 || 0.00 || 98.41 || [22:55:44] Soul strength increased by 0.0165 to 36.5913
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| soul crystal [hell horse] || 92.29 || 8.29 || 84.64 || [23:15:51] Soul strength increased by 0.0961 to 36.7288
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| soul crystal [huge shark] || 97.21 || 0.00 || 97.21 || [23:31:19] Body stamina increased by 0.0319 to 41.1050
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| soul crystal [huge shark] || 95.93 || 0.00 || 95.93 || [23:31:57] Soul strength increased by 0.0155 to 36.8154
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| soul crystal [huge shark] || 100.00 || 0.00 || 100.00 || [23:32:10] Soul strength increased by 0.0159 to 36.8313
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| soul crystal [lava spider] || 92.80 || 1.15 || 91.73 || [23:41:13] Soul strength increased by 0.0150 to 36.8463
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| soul crystal [lava spider] || 93.73 || 12.41 || 82.10 || [23:41:28] Soul strength increased by 0.0141 to 36.8604
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| soul crystal [octopus] || 89.07 || 0.58 || 88.55 || [23:47:15] Soul strength increased by 0.0146 to 36.8813
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| soul crystal [sea serpent] || 89.75 || 0.00 || 89.75 || [00:08:43] Body control increased by 0.0231 to 48.3722
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| soul crystal [sea serpent] || 96.90 || 0.00 || 96.90 || [00:08:58] Body control increased by 0.0244 to 48.3966
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| soul crystal [sea serpent] || 99.93 || 0.00 || 99.93 || [00:09:23] Soul strength increased by 0.1352 to 37.1429
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| soul crystal [champion huge shark] || 93.76 || 3.96 || 99.93 || [22:36:20] Weaponless fighting increased by 0.2293 to 24.4362
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| soul crystal [champion dolphin] || 95.90 || 0.00 || 95.90 || [22:35:31] Weaponless fighting increased by 0.1627 to 24.2069
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| soul crystal [dolphin] || 100.00 || 0.00 || 100.00 || [22:52:42] Weaponless fighting increased by 0.1247 to 24.8186
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| soul crystal [goblin brute] || 95.08 || 0.00 || 95.08 || [23:03:43] Weaponless fighting increased by 0.0621 to 24.8807
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Dirks Minimum gains for comparison:
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Body Stamina: [23:36:54] Body stamina increased by 0.0059 to 41.1168
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Body Control: [22:13:48] Body control increased by 0.0052 to 47.9964
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Soul Strength: [22:15:23] Soul strength increased by 0.0064 to 36.4641
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Weaponless fighting: [23:22:55] Weaponless fighting increased by 0.0187 to 25.1705
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'''-Higher Chance to Get a Certain Skill?:''' It may be random chance since I only have a few data points but, some critters crystals seem to have a higher chance of giving a particular skill where as most other critters gave a random assortment of skills.
  
 
Examples:  
 
Examples:  
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Horse: 4/9 crystals were Body Stamina
 
Horse: 4/9 crystals were Body Stamina
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Hell Hound: 4/9 crystals were Body Strength
 
Hell Hound: 4/9 crystals were Body Strength
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Mountain Gorilla: 3/4 crystals were Body Strength
 
Mountain Gorilla: 3/4 crystals were Body Strength
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Huge Spider: 3/4 crystals were Body Control
 
Huge Spider: 3/4 crystals were Body Control
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Mule crystals: 6/13 cystals were Soul Strength
 
Mule crystals: 6/13 cystals were Soul Strength
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Lava fiend 4/5 crystals were Weponless Fighting
 
Lava fiend 4/5 crystals were Weponless Fighting
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Rooster: 4/6 crystals were Soul Strength
 
Rooster: 4/6 crystals were Soul Strength
  
  
 
'''Additional Things:'''
 
'''Additional Things:'''
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-Rare/supreme crystals appear give the same minimum skill as a normal soul crystal from the same animal regardless of effective ql.
 
  
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-Sleep bonus, your nutrition/water level, and faith do not appear to affect the amount of skill gained.
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-The above data came from snorting 418 crystals in one go, my toon was high AF afterwards.
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-Sleep bonus, your nutrition/water level, and faith skill do not appear to affect the amount of skill gained.
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{| class="wikitable"
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! Name !! Quality !! Damage !! Effective QL !! Skill Tick !! Notes
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| soul crystal [mule] || 96.78 || 1.02 || 95.79 || [00:17:36] Soul strength increased by 0.0063 to 37.1743 || Almost empty food/water
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| soul crystal [mule] || 94.72 || 0.87 || 93.90 || [00:19:16] Soul strength increased by 0.0063 to 37.1806 || Full food/water
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| soul crystal [dolphin] || 95.32 || 3.54 || 91.95 || [22:51:40] Body control increased by 0.0520 to 48.1004 || SB off
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| soul crystal [dolphin] || 95.02 || 0.00 || 95.02 || [22:53:45] Body control increased by 0.0532 to 48.2094 || SB on
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| soul crystal [crocodile] || 100.00 || 0.00 || 100.00 || [22:39:36] Body control increased by 0.0052 to 48.0432 || Faith 1.8564
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| soul crystal [donkey] || 100.00 || 0.00 || 100.00 || [23:00:56] Body control increased by 0.0052 to 48.2146 || Faith 2.8564
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Note: The sleep bonus ones in the table above changed only because of effective ql (which happens on ticks larger than the minimum), not because SB.
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-No decay on soul crystals was observed after several weeks on or off deed sitting on the ground or in a cart.

Latest revision as of 00:17, 25 April 2023

Backlash: I've noticed on 2 or 3 ocassions that you can get a backlash if you pray at another altar inside the holysite area.

This matters because at several holy sites I've seen people put altars right next to the holy site. It is a pain to walk outside the holy site area to spam prays but then your characters with bad soul strength won't blow up the holysite. I've seen backlashes cause between 3-10 corruption. (Dirk, Apr 24th 2023)


Soul Crystal Data:

(By Dirk, Apr 24th 2023)

-Minimum Skill: There appears to be a minimum skill tick size that is set by your current skill and possilby some other factors like how far above the critters skill you skill is. You get the minimum when your skill is higher than the soul crystal creatures skill. Effective ql, critter idenity, and rare+ seem to have little or no affect on the minimum skill gained, especially if you skill is much higher than the critters. Rare+ may give higher skill, but not if its a minimum gain.


When you get a minimum gain the event tab says: "[01:30:04] Your knowledge of Body control already surpasses that of the former rooster, but you still manage to learn something."


Dirk Minimum Strength Data:

Name Quality Damage Effective QL Skill Tick
soul crystal [hell hound] 100.00 0.00 100.00 [23:19:20] Body strength increased by 0.0047 to 52.9140
soul crystal [hell hound] 97.51 0.00 97.51 [23:19:32] Body strength increased by 0.0047 to 52.9187
soul crystal [hell hound] 99.88 0.00 99.88 [23:19:51] Body strength increased by 0.0047 to 52.9234
soul crystal [hell hound] 73.54 3.56 70.92 [23:20:15] Body strength increased by 0.0047 to 52.9281
soul crystal [bison] 92.92 0.00 92.92 [22:12:50] Body strength increased by 0.0047 to 52.8292
soul crystal [bison] 97.86 7.00 91.01 [22:14:25] Body strength increased by 0.0047 to 52.8339
soul crystal [brown bear] 83.50 0.00 83.50 [22:22:00] Body strength increased by 0.0047 to 52.8433
soul crystal [hen] 70.92 2.55 69.11 [23:22:43] Body strength increased by 0.0047 to 52.9328
soul crystal [champion horse] 99.41 0.00 99.41 [22:36:06] Body strength increased by 0.0047 to 52.8622
supreme soul crystal [bull] 68.44 3.56 66.00 [22:32:11] Body strength increased by 0.0047 to 52.8575

Dirk Minimum Body Stamina Data:

Name Quality Damage Effective QL Skill Tick
soul crystal [large rat] 91.33 1.15 90.28 [23:36:54] Body stamina increased by 0.0059 to 41.1168
soul crystal [lava spider] 87.78 0.00 87.78 [23:41:53] Body stamina increased by 0.0059 to 41.1227
soul crystal [mountain gorilla] 96.51 0.00 96.51 [23:42:57] Body stamina increased by 0.0059 to 41.1285
soul crystal [horse] 93.31 0.00 93.31 [23:23:57] Body stamina increased by 0.0059 to 41.0554
soul crystal [horse] 89.97 0.15 89.84 [23:24:16] Body stamina increased by 0.0059 to 41.0613
soul crystal [horse] 96.65 0.00 96.65 [23:24:46] Body stamina increased by 0.0059 to 41.0672
soul crystal [horse] 86.84 1.49 85.55 [23:25:28] Body stamina increased by 0.0059 to 41.0731


Dirk Minimum Skill for Rare Vs Normal:

Name Quality Damage Effective QL Skill Tick
soul crystal [black bear] 99.05 0.00 99.05 [22:15:23] Soul strength increased by 0.0064 to 36.4641
soul crystal [mountain lion] 95.86 11.44 84.89 [23:45:40] Soul strength increased by 0.0063 to 36.8667
rare soul crystal [pig] 95.09 0.00 95.09 [23:50:57] Soul strength increased by 0.0063 to 36.9095


-When Do You Get More Than Minimum Skill?: A few of my skills were low enough that some critters gave about 3-10x more skill than the apparent minimums. For my skill gains that were not the minimum, they did appear to be affected by effective ql of the soul crystal and creature type. I see this most strongly for weaponless fighting since those ticks are the larges.

When you get a tick bigger than the minimum, the event tab says: "[01:34:17] You absorb some of the former sea serpent's knowledge of Body control."


Doods that gave me higher than the minimum Characteristic gains on Dirk.

Higher Body Stamina Higher Body Control Higher Soul Strength
Huge Shark Dolphin, Huge Shark, Sea Serpent Blue Whale, Croc, Dolphin, Hell Horse, Huge Shark, Lava Spider, Octopus, Sea Serp


Dirk Ticks That Were Above The Mininmum:

Name Quality Damage Effective QL Skill Tick
soul crystal [blue whale] 95.50 11.44 84.57 [22:18:56] Soul strength increased by 0.0153 to 36.4794
soul crystal [blue whale] 94.01 0.00 94.01 [22:19:14] Soul strength increased by 0.0163 to 36.4957
soul crystal [crocodile] 46.91 13.33 40.66 [22:40:59] Soul strength increased by 0.0411 to 36.5685
soul crystal [dolphin] 95.32 3.54 91.95 [22:51:40] Body control increased by 0.0520 to 48.1004
soul crystal [dolphin] 95.02 0.00 95.02 [22:53:45] Body control increased by 0.0532 to 48.2094 ***Wth Sleep Bonus
soul crystal [dolphin] 100.00 0.00 100.00 [22:52:42] Body control increased by 0.0559 to 48.1562
soul crystal [dolphin] 98.41 0.00 98.41 [22:55:44] Soul strength increased by 0.0165 to 36.5913
soul crystal [hell horse] 92.29 8.29 84.64 [23:15:51] Soul strength increased by 0.0961 to 36.7288
soul crystal [huge shark] 97.21 0.00 97.21 [23:31:19] Body stamina increased by 0.0319 to 41.1050
soul crystal [huge shark] 95.93 0.00 95.93 [23:31:57] Soul strength increased by 0.0155 to 36.8154
soul crystal [huge shark] 100.00 0.00 100.00 [23:32:10] Soul strength increased by 0.0159 to 36.8313
soul crystal [lava spider] 92.80 1.15 91.73 [23:41:13] Soul strength increased by 0.0150 to 36.8463
soul crystal [lava spider] 93.73 12.41 82.10 [23:41:28] Soul strength increased by 0.0141 to 36.8604
soul crystal [octopus] 89.07 0.58 88.55 [23:47:15] Soul strength increased by 0.0146 to 36.8813
soul crystal [sea serpent] 89.75 0.00 89.75 [00:08:43] Body control increased by 0.0231 to 48.3722
soul crystal [sea serpent] 96.90 0.00 96.90 [00:08:58] Body control increased by 0.0244 to 48.3966
soul crystal [sea serpent] 99.93 0.00 99.93 [00:09:23] Soul strength increased by 0.1352 to 37.1429
soul crystal [champion huge shark] 93.76 3.96 99.93 [22:36:20] Weaponless fighting increased by 0.2293 to 24.4362
soul crystal [champion dolphin] 95.90 0.00 95.90 [22:35:31] Weaponless fighting increased by 0.1627 to 24.2069
soul crystal [dolphin] 100.00 0.00 100.00 [22:52:42] Weaponless fighting increased by 0.1247 to 24.8186
soul crystal [goblin brute] 95.08 0.00 95.08 [23:03:43] Weaponless fighting increased by 0.0621 to 24.8807

Dirks Minimum gains for comparison:

Body Stamina: [23:36:54] Body stamina increased by 0.0059 to 41.1168

Body Control: [22:13:48] Body control increased by 0.0052 to 47.9964

Soul Strength: [22:15:23] Soul strength increased by 0.0064 to 36.4641

Weaponless fighting: [23:22:55] Weaponless fighting increased by 0.0187 to 25.1705


-Higher Chance to Get a Certain Skill?: It may be random chance since I only have a few data points but, some critters crystals seem to have a higher chance of giving a particular skill where as most other critters gave a random assortment of skills.

Examples:

Horse: 4/9 crystals were Body Stamina

Hell Hound: 4/9 crystals were Body Strength

Mountain Gorilla: 3/4 crystals were Body Strength

Huge Spider: 3/4 crystals were Body Control

Mule crystals: 6/13 cystals were Soul Strength

Lava fiend 4/5 crystals were Weponless Fighting

Rooster: 4/6 crystals were Soul Strength


Additional Things:

-The above data came from snorting 418 crystals in one go, my toon was high AF afterwards.

-Sleep bonus, your nutrition/water level, and faith skill do not appear to affect the amount of skill gained.

Name Quality Damage Effective QL Skill Tick Notes
soul crystal [mule] 96.78 1.02 95.79 [00:17:36] Soul strength increased by 0.0063 to 37.1743 Almost empty food/water
soul crystal [mule] 94.72 0.87 93.90 [00:19:16] Soul strength increased by 0.0063 to 37.1806 Full food/water
soul crystal [dolphin] 95.32 3.54 91.95 [22:51:40] Body control increased by 0.0520 to 48.1004 SB off
soul crystal [dolphin] 95.02 0.00 95.02 [22:53:45] Body control increased by 0.0532 to 48.2094 SB on
soul crystal [crocodile] 100.00 0.00 100.00 [22:39:36] Body control increased by 0.0052 to 48.0432 Faith 1.8564
soul crystal [donkey] 100.00 0.00 100.00 [23:00:56] Body control increased by 0.0052 to 48.2146 Faith 2.8564

Note: The sleep bonus ones in the table above changed only because of effective ql (which happens on ticks larger than the minimum), not because SB.

-No decay on soul crystals was observed after several weeks on or off deed sitting on the ground or in a cart.

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